2020.08.20 19:35 socialtag r/FakeDisorderCringe
Cringe content displaying people obviously faking or glorifying disorders. Don’t post real ones, please!
2021.05.01 10:41 Fake Disorder TikTok: Attention-seekers pretending to have disorders.
For people who fake disorders for fame on TikTok
2014.11.01 07:06 FuckinHomerunChippah JustUnsubbed: ᴛʜᴇ ʟᴀꜱᴛ ꜱᴛʀᴀᴡ
This sub is for sharing which post made you unsubscribe from a subreddit.
2023.06.06 17:16 Evil_mod Mods on r/FakeDisorderCringe wouldn't let me post this, even though it was Meme Saturday lol
2023.06.06 02:50 smthingdramatic r/fakedisordercringe blackout announcement
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2023.06.04 22:50 WhistlingBread Mods on r/FakeDisorderCringe wouldn't let me post this, even though it was Meme Saturday lol
2023.06.04 13:19 Radiocativeoranges Hard take goo
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2023.06.04 07:01 SubManagerBot Incomplete and Growing List of Participating Subreddits
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2023.06.04 00:35 ElectroTake I just found an image that proves that mud exists, here is!! Enjoy
2023.06.02 14:10 Average_Twintower I got downvoted to hell on r/Fakedisordercringe for actually having DID and Tourettes at the same time and some alter affected more then others
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2023.06.01 10:49 Blood_Covered_Bread Please validate me. (TW for transmedicalist shit (read: trans-flavored transphobia)) (Applicable Flairs: Depressing, advice, and rant/vent)
(The title isn't me mocking people who want validation, I'm just being upright about this)
I just got done crying a few minutes ago and now I have a headache, which will probably get worse if I cry more (which I sorta feel like doing) so I'd like to prolong that as much as possible. Note that my timezone is EST and it's about 4:30 AM for me and I have therapy today, so if I'm not responding, it's probably because I'm sleeping or at therapy.
This started with me finding a cross-post on here from fakedisordercringe (not linking bc that sub sucks ass) which lead me to the post about LGBT discourse, which lead me to a thread about gender dysphoria, to someone's profile, and then to honesttransgender and truscum (also not linked). Of course I ran into transmedicalist posts, which upset me (Trans guy here who experiences virtually 0 dysphoria; on the fence about getting T in the future, probably won't get top surgery, and I'm NOT getting bottom surgery). But because it's 4:00 AM, my grandmother got up to go to the bathroom (which has a door into my room for some god-foresaken reason) which is right next to my room. I know she was walking, so I instinctively looked at my doorframe, and then when she noticed me went deer-in-headlights mode before hiding my face, while she was (quickly ofc) lecuturing me about staying up (I don't WANT to stay up, I just suck ass at transitioning between shit until my eyes get pissed at me) and then went to the bathroom. I started crying, not only because I made her mad (I hate upsetting people) but also probably because of the posts I was looking at, and continued crying when she lectured me when she got out of the bathroom, and threatened to turn off the wifi.
Why do people hate those like me just because I can't apply gender-norms to myself (In my case, to the extent that I get misgendered when people who I don't know have to refer to me w/ pronouns despite binding) and because I don't want surgery that could potentially be botched in so many ways. I don't think about my gender that much, and I also don't think about my body that much.
Why do I have to have debilitating gender dysphoria to be considered trans? I don't care about internet points to the point of labeling myself as trans, I just feel more comfy with he/him pronouns. Crossposts to shitty subreddits (such as the ones mentioned above, excluding this one will be reported to that subs mod team and asked to be removed. Failure to do so will result in being blocked.)
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2023.05.27 11:37 SomehowLegal How old is ‘too young’ and how old is ‘too old’
I’ve been observing a lot of the posts made in here and fakedisordercringe
or whatever the name of that subreddit is, and a weird inconsistency I’ve noticed is that someone 13-15 is way too young to have DID (which, agree), but then someone who is bodily 25 who was claiming to have DID was apparently ‘too old to be faking DID.’ Not in the way that’s ‘oh, they must have it because there’s no way they’re faking it’ but in the ‘Why are you faking at this age!’ way.
So now I’m left wondering, what is the youngest age could someone be to claim they have DID? Does the age differ if they say they are diagnosed by a professional, working on getting diagnosed by a professional , or self diagnosed? Why do people complain that some people saying they have it are too young, but then complain that an older person saying they have it is too old?
FYI: Im not saying that I believe these people necessarily, I just think it’s weird to point to some adult’s age and say they’re ‘too young/old’ for a serious personality disorder such as DID.
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2023.05.23 18:08 tantamle Destiny on Mental Health Fakers
I can't find the link, but in his most recent "week recap" stream, Destiny said that when it comes to the online community, whenever he hears that someone has autism or ADHD or depression, he assumes it's just someone looking for attention or trying to be different or something to that effect. Furthermore, he recommended that we not call Vaush "autistic" as an insult because this amounts to an excuse for him to be lazy and that in truth, Vaush interacts just fine.
I've been following the sub called fakedisordercringe
and it reminds me of a lot of stuff posted on there.
Most people don't have an extreme view on this issue, but a lot of people will brush it off by saying "yeah a tiny minority of people may be faking it, but it's mostly legitimate". Is it possible that this is a more serious problem than some are willing to admit?
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2023.05.22 17:45 press_F13 yum (sad)...
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2023.05.16 00:01 OilGullible8412 fakedisordercringe
fakedisordercringe is a controversial sub on Reddit. It has a lot of good content, but it also has a lot of misinformation about disorders, especially dissociative identity disorder. This sub, fakdisordercringsucks
, is a place where we can discuss the fakedisordercringe sub
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2023.05.05 09:01 Either_Cover_5205 Opinions on r/fakedisordercringe?
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2023.04.26 18:44 Hellbringers_Galaxy Loooots of questions
Okay, so I am plural, and I'm the host. I am 18 years old so is the body. I don't have a diagnosis but that is only because my mother removed me from therapy both times because the psych told her I needed to be screened and watched for DID (yknow, so my mother could be helpful for once and help tell them the symptoms they can't watch for as they didn't live with me and I was underage so for some reason my word wasn't good enough), I myself have been doing research since the first time, in great depth, and I'm currently reading through the DSM-5-TR
- Why don't we switch as much anymore? And is it normal? --- Since I met my girlfriend and we started dating, over the last 9 months I've noticed that we haven't been switching as often. How I know is bc of her word and Simply Plural. And ys I realize amnesia could be preventing the switches from being tracked but even then we usually had more than four a day, now it's usually not even 2, currently me and Lux have been in front together for the last two days!- I will add that according to my girlfriend, I do end up being blurry too. (Don't worry about the SP thing we figured out about the endo thing and we're trying to find another switch tracking solution)
- Is it normal for even at my age to have some alters who are at most 80% different than me? Even though usually that's not the case? ---- Currently we've discovered about 3 of them.
- How can I get someone to front if I can barely talk to the Innerworld? ---- For context we have been trying to get who we think is our ISH to front, because they need to fill out a notebook with everything they know about everyone and innerworld so that I can learn too.
- Why even without switching as much as I used to, can I not remember things? --- I can remember little things sometimes, but usually I can't remember what happened even an hour before I started trying to think about what just happened-
- I know it is, but I need reassurance, is it normal for my grades to fluxate so harshly? ---- Currently I'm failing but probably by next week I'll be just over the edge of passing-
- Am I faking?.. ---- I've been having really bad Imposter Syndrome lately, because of well. Alot of things. Mostly things off fakedisordercringe, because I saw a post, "Why are most of the fakers, under the age of 25, dyed hair, some form of alternative fashion, and AFAB?" And well I fit all of that.. the not switching as much doesn't help either.. and barely ever being able to actually hear innerworld.. I just need to know am I faking?.. am I doing this for attention? I'm scared that I've tricked myself somehow.. and that none of this is real.. someone reassure me please..
I'm sorry if any of this doest make sense I'm not good with words or explaining myself, I'm sorry
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2023.04.19 01:17 christinebrie What's going on with DID?
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2023.04.17 19:51 SophieByers The most annoying and toxic part of that sub Reddit
2023.04.17 05:43 gloomybearfan reddit whenever dissociative disorders exist
2023.04.16 09:33 ThursdayNeverCame Eating Corn Long Ways
2023.04.15 16:19 Thelazyman22 Tis mem
2023.04.11 00:12 CroissantPaladin Wanted to info-dump about why self-diagnosis is bad
To clarify, I am professionally diagnosed by a multi-disciplinary team of clinical psychologists using the ADI-R and ADOS-2 assessments, as is called for by the current gold standard for the autism diagnostic process as of the time of writing this post.
In this post, I'm basically just planning to info-dump about why self-diagnosis isn't valid. Then, I will discuss the concept of "mild autism" and why I think that it is inherently a misnomer, and therefore the literal concept of "mild autism", "autism with none of the bad symptoms", etc. does not clinically exist and should not be counted as autism. That last part is particularly referring to the "autism as an identity", "autism is my superpower" type of crowd.
As the term 'info-dump' implies, this is gonna be a very chunky post with no tl;dr. Hats off to you if you read it all :)
The point of this post is to state my viewpoint. I will not be debating anyone on the matter, and will not respond to DMs/comments or get into debates with people for the sake of my mental health. Agree or disagree, this is just my opinion and I'm not going to fight you over it.
More sound alternatives to self-diagnosis
Let's address the commonly raised idea that self-diagnosis has benefits, particularly in relation to how more sound alternatives already provide these benefits with little/none of the inherent drawbacks of self-diagnosis.
that you have autism is fundamentally different from self-diagnosis, particularly in that you're not confirming anything, you're not staking an identity on potentially having it.
Here are a (non-exhaustive) list of the perceived benefits of self-diagnosis and how they measure up to the benefits of simply suspecting that you might be autistic:
- "Self-awareness: Engaging in self-diagnosis can lead to increased self-awareness, as individuals reflect on their experiences, strengths, and challenges. This introspection may help them better understand their personal needs and preferences. "
- This is already provided by the process of introspection involved in simply considering whether or not you have it; the benefits are not manifest after the self-confirmation, therefore self-diagnosis does not manifest this benefit at all.
- "Empowerment: Self-diagnosis can be an empowering process for some individuals, particularly if they have struggled with undiagnosed symptoms for a long time. Identifying a potential explanation for their experiences may bring a sense of relief and validation."
- It is quite possible to identify a symptom and accommodate it without explaining why it happens. This again, therefore, is a benefit manifested by suspecting autism, not confirming it.
- "Community and support: Self-diagnosis can help individuals connect with others who share similar experiences or who have received a formal diagnosis of ASD. Online forums, support groups, and social media platforms can provide valuable resources, information, and emotional support."
- The autistic community are not neurologists, or professional psychologists, etc. You should get your information from proper, peer-reviewed sources and professionals. There have been so many instances of people spreading misinformation about autism diagnosis.
- Given that being autistic does not inherently make us professionals or diagnosticians, it is not the burden or responsibility of those who are diagnosed with autism to handle people asking "Do I have autism", particularly because the information is already out there and there is a large number of people who will ask this question of autistic people (who are not qualified to advise whether or not you have it!!!) without checking old posts where the question was already addressed, or just using Google, or speaking to a professional.
- You don't specifically need to latch onto support groups for ASD if you're suspecting you might have autism. The symptoms of autism have a very large number of differential diagnoses, so by that logic, you might as well be joining dozens of disabled communities to get their input too (which, as above, is not their responsibility nor are they qualified!!!).
- Instead, it seems a lot more sensible to make a support group for people with undiagnosed conditions as a catch-all. You can discuss symptoms, ask for coping mechanisms, share information about charity resources, and do fundraisers for people to get assessments and to advocate for the accessibility of assessments...
- ... as opposed to simply saying "Oh well some people don't have access to assessments", confirming one's own self-diagnosis, and then doing nothing to help people or themselves gain access to an assessment.
- "Initial screening: In some cases, self-diagnosis can serve as an initial step towards identifying potential symptoms that may warrant further evaluation by a professional. Online self-report questionnaires and screening tools can be useful in raising awareness of the signs and symptoms of ASD, prompting individuals to seek a formal assessment."
- You don't need to confirm anything to consider the possibilities. Suspicion, not confirmation, is the first step.
- Online self-report questionnaires and screening tools are also notoriously unreliable because they will flag a "high likelihood of autism" for a huge variety of differential diagnoses. They're not capable of differentiating between possible autism and possibly something else and are therefore totally useless.
- Even something like the RAADS-R isn't helpful without the results being interpreted by an actual professional. This is because it's a screening tool, not a diagnostic tool.
- "Advocacy: For individuals who may not have access to professional evaluation or are hesitant to seek help, self-diagnosis can encourage them to advocate for their needs in their personal, academic, or professional lives. By understanding their potential challenges, they may be better equipped to seek accommodations, coping strategies, or support from friends and family."
- You can advocate for your own symptoms to be accommodated without confirming the diagnosis.
- You also won't actually get all the way with accommodating your symptoms without a professional diagnosis anyway, as many institutions like public transport, education, and employers will require proof before they will accommodate you. But this doesn't stop you from accommodating yourself through things like wearing headphones if you're sensitive to noise, which doesn't need you to self-diagnose in order to achieve.
The flaws of self-diagnosis:
- Confirmation bias: Individuals may selectively focus on information that supports their preconceived beliefs about their condition while ignoring or downplaying information that contradicts their self-diagnosis. This can result in a skewed understanding of their symptoms and experiences.
- Misinterpretation of symptoms: Without proper training and expertise, individuals may misinterpret their symptoms or attribute them to the wrong condition. For example, they might mistake symptoms of social anxiety or ADHD for those of ASD, leading to an incorrect self-diagnosis.
- The Dunning-Kruger effect refers to a cognitive bias in which individuals with limited knowledge or expertise in a particular area tend to overestimate their abilities and understanding of that area. In the context of self-diagnosis, individuals may believe they have sufficient knowledge about a condition, such as ASD, to accurately self-diagnose, when in fact, their understanding is limited. This overconfidence can contribute to inaccurate self-diagnoses and may lead them to overlook or underestimate the importance of professional evaluation.
- I've particularly seen this with the "I've done years and years of research" crowd. I once saw a guy who talk a huge game about having done a year of research, but when asked to explain what he actually meant was that he'd done an hour of research in January and an hour of research in December (facepalm). I've noticed a tendency for people to massively overestimate the amount of research they've done.
- Another thing to note is that they're often doing research in the form of "watching Tik Toks" and "watching content by autistic creators". None of those people are qualified to tell you whether or not you might have autism. It's grossly irresponsible that so many autism YouTubers / tik tokers boil down autism diagnostic information into short clips and YouTube videos. There's a huge amount of nuance and caveats to many of the diagnostic considerations that simply cannot be responsibly boiled down into a YouTube video. This sort of content is grossly taking information out of context and is unreliable. This also causes people to overestimate the quality of their research.
- At the very least please get your research from official sources like diagnostic criteria, email professionals, etc.
- Delaying proper treatment: An inaccurate self-diagnosis may cause individuals to delay seeking appropriate professional help, potentially prolonging their distress and impairing their ability to function in various areas of life.
- Incorrect treatment: Relying on a self-diagnosis may lead individuals to pursue treatments or interventions that are not effective or appropriate for their condition. This can result in wasted time, resources, and potential harm to their well-being.
- Developing an inaccurate self-concept: An incorrect self-diagnosis can lead individuals to develop a skewed understanding of themselves, which may affect their self-esteem, relationships, and overall functioning. This can also result in a sense of isolation if they cannot relate to others who share the same formal diagnosis or struggle to find support.
- Stigmatization: Self-diagnosing a mental health condition like ASD may inadvertently contribute to stigmatization, both internally (self-stigma) and externally (from others). This can lead to feelings of shame, guilt, or embarrassment, which may further impact an individual's mental health and well-being.
- Overgeneralization: Self-diagnosing may lead individuals to overgeneralize their symptoms, assuming that every challenge they face is a result of the condition. This could prevent them from addressing other potential factors or issues that may be contributing to their difficulties.
- Overreliance on online information: The internet can be a valuable source of information, but it can also be filled with misinformation and personal anecdotes that may not be applicable to everyone. Relying solely on online resources for self-diagnosis can lead to inaccurate conclusions and misguided treatment approaches.
- Reinforcement of maladaptive behaviors: If individuals inaccurately self-diagnose and believe that certain behaviors are inevitable or untreatable due to their condition, they may inadvertently reinforce these behaviors instead of seeking appropriate interventions to improve their functioning.
- Misallocation of resources: An inaccurate self-diagnosis may result in the misallocation of resources, both at an individual and societal level. Individuals may invest time, energy, and money in treatments that are not effective or appropriate for their condition, while healthcare providers and support services may be strained by addressing misdiagnosed cases.
- I see a lot of self-diagnosed people say "Oh but what resources?". To that, I say look at testimonies from people who have more severe cases, particularly on subreddits specifically for people who have more severe autism.
- Legal and professional consequences: In some cases, a formal diagnosis may be necessary to access certain accommodations or protections under the law, such as workplace or educational accommodations. Relying on a self-diagnosis could result in individuals being denied these accommodations and facing challenges in their professional or academic lives.
- How self-diagnosis can actually contribute to the stigmatization of ASD:
- Stereotyping: When individuals self-diagnose, they may inadvertently perpetuate stereotypes about the condition, especially if their understanding of ASD is based on limited or inaccurate information. This can reinforce misconceptions and contribute to the stigma surrounding the disorder.
- Lots of bullshit stereotypes around autism get spread. Like those awful "special interest sheet" templates that blew up on the main autism subreddit where people listed almost all of their interests as a special interest which is inaccurate.
- Trivialization: If people self-diagnose without a thorough understanding of ASD or its diagnostic criteria, they may unintentionally trivialize the experiences of those with a formal diagnosis. This can lead others to perceive ASD as less severe or significant than it truly is, further stigmatizing individuals who genuinely struggle with the condition.
- Seen quite a lot of this, especially on TikTok. Where "mildly autistic" self-diagnosed people will show up in the comments section of more severely autistic people, dismissing them with statements like "Don't worry guys, not all autistic people are like this", "we're not like the bad autistic people", etc., etc. It's very harmful.
- There are multiple members of the main autism subreddit who literally only just post memes and selfies. I've seen people in the autism subreddit who just make cross-posts from satisfying, or post selfies begging for validation and upvotes. These all get boosted to hot while posts asking for aid die in new with no help or responses.
- I've seen a lot of more severely autistic people be dismissed by the main autism subreddit as well. In particular, I saw one guy whose whole post was "My autism makes it difficult to date because it makes me bad at social interaction, please help" and the only responses were a bunch of self-diagnosed people calling him an incel, ableist, shitting on him, telling him to get fucked and downvoting his post into the ground. He didn't even bring any incel rhetoric in or anything, he just dared to be disabled in a community for disabled people.
- Misrepresentation: Inaccurate self-diagnoses can lead to a misrepresentation of the disorder in public discourse and social media. As a result, the broader public may form incorrect opinions about ASD and its impact on those who live with it, perpetuating stigma and misunderstandings.
- This is especially true of the "autism is an identity, not a disability crowd."
- I already see this in my real-life employer's disability support network where they are literally afraid to refer to autism as a disorder anymore, often speaking more about advantages than accommodation.
- Gatekeeping: When people self-diagnose without a professional evaluation, they may inadvertently contribute to gatekeeping within the ASD community. This can create divisions between those who have received a formal diagnosis and those who self-identify, potentially fostering resentment and undermining the sense of unity and support within the community.
- Remind me why AutisticPeeps exists? Remind me why SpicyAutism exists? Remind me why most if not all people with more severe cases of autism are abandoning the main autism sub?
- This exact fucking thing happened with dissociative identity disorder. Look at their community today and it's a literal battleground of endogenic vs non-endogenic DID people. The autism community is already heading in that direction too. How many people take DID seriously nowadays because of the waves of people that thought it was trendy to self-diagnose it?
- Invalidating professional diagnoses: If self-diagnosing becomes widespread and accepted, it could lead to the perception that professional diagnoses are unnecessary or irrelevant. This can undermine the legitimacy of those who have gone through the formal diagnostic process and contribute to the stigmatization of their experiences.
- Tell me y'all haven't seen people saying "self-diagnosis is more valid than professional diagnosis", "you don't need a professional diagnosis", advocating for the abandonment of the medical community's professional opinions (and by extension advocating for the abandonment of the scientific process, which would be incredibly damaging for autistic people). It harms the credibility of the diagnosis and those who have it when people do this.
Autism diagnosis is far too complex to complete without professional knowledge and input Variability:
Overlap of ASD Symptoms with other Mental health conditions:
- Individuals with ASD may exhibit a diverse array of symptoms. Some people may have difficulty with nonverbal communication, such as understanding body language or facial expressions, while others may struggle with verbal communication, like initiating or maintaining conversations. The presentation of repetitive behaviors and interests can also differ, ranging from intense preoccupations with specific subjects to repetitive physical actions like hand-flapping or rocking.
- The severity of ASD can range from moderate to severe, affecting individuals' functioning and independence to varying degrees. Some people with ASD may require significant support in their daily lives, while others may be able to live independently with minimal assistance.
- Several conditions can have overlapping symptoms with autism spectrum disorder (ASD), which can make it challenging to accurately diagnose without a comprehensive evaluation by a multi-disciplinary team of clinical psychologists. Some of these conditions include (just to name a few):
- Social anxiety disorder
- Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)
- Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD)
- Sensory processing disorder
- Learning disabilities (e.g., dyslexia, dyscalculia, dysgraphia)
- Intellectual disability
- Language disorders (e.g., expressive language disorder, receptive language disorder)
- Nonverbal learning disorder (NVLD)
- Tourette syndrome and other tic disorders
- Anxiety disorders (e.g., generalized anxiety disorder, panic disorder)
- Depression and other mood disorders (e.g., bipolar disorder)
- Schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders
- Personality disorders (e.g., borderline personality disorder, avoidant personality disorder)
- Developmental coordination disorder (DCD) or dyspraxia
- Fetal alcohol spectrum disorder (FASD)
- Fragile X syndrome and other genetic disorders
- Traumatic brain injury (TBI) or acquired brain injury (ABI)
- Epilepsy and other seizure disorders
- Sleep disorders (e.g., insomnia, sleep apnea)
A thorough assessment by a multi-disciplinary team of clinical psychologists is essential to differentiate between ASD and other conditions and to determine the most appropriate interventions and support strategies for an individual's specific needs.
You may be wondering about the 'multi-disciplinary team of clinical psychologists' part; we'll get into that in this next section: The complexity of the modern-day autism diagnostic process:
- The modern-day autism diagnostic process is complex and comprehensive, involving several specialized tools, assessments, and a multi-disciplinary team of professionals. This complexity stems from the diverse presentation of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and the need to differentiate it from other conditions with overlapping symptoms. Two widely-used assessment tools in this process are the Autism Diagnostic Interview-Revised (ADI-R) and the Autism Diagnostic Observation Schedule, Second Edition (ADOS-2).
- Autism Diagnostic Interview-Revised (ADI-R): The ADI-R is a structured, standardized interview conducted with the caregivers of the individual being assessed. It focuses on the individual's developmental history, social interaction, communication, and restricted and repetitive behaviors. The interview provides valuable information about the individual's early development and current functioning, helping clinicians determine if ASD criteria are met.
- Developmental history: The caregiver provides information about the individual's early development, including the acquisition of language, motor skills, and social milestones. This helps the clinician understand the onset and progression of ASD symptoms.
- Social interaction: The caregiver is asked about the individual's ability to form and maintain relationships, engage in social activities, and respond to social cues, such as eye contact, facial expressions, and gestures.
- Communication: The caregiver provides information on the individual's verbal and nonverbal communication abilities, including the use of language, gestures, and social conventions in conversation.
- Restricted and repetitive behaviors: The caregiver is asked about the presence and intensity of repetitive behaviors, such as hand-flapping or rocking, as well as any restricted interests or routines.
- Autism Diagnostic Observation Schedule, Second Edition (ADOS-2): The ADOS-2 is a semi-structured, standardized assessment that involves observing the individual in various social situations and engaging them in activities designed to elicit social, communicative, and repetitive behaviors. The ADOS-2 is conducted by a trained examiner and helps clinicians identify behaviors consistent with ASD.
- Social interaction: The examiner observes how the individual initiates and responds to social cues, such as eye contact, facial expressions, and body language. They also assess the individual's ability to share enjoyment, show empathy, and engage in cooperative play.
- Communication: The examiner evaluates both verbal and nonverbal communication, including the individual's use of gestures, vocalizations, sentence structure, and conversational skills. They also look for abnormalities in the use of language, such as unusual intonation, repetitive speech, or idiosyncratic phrases.
- Play and imagination: The examiner assesses the individual's ability to engage in imaginative play and use objects in a symbolic manner. This may include observing how the individual interacts with toys, pretends to engage in daily routines, or tells stories.
- Restricted and repetitive behaviors: The examiner observes the individual for repetitive actions, such as hand-flapping, rocking, or spinning objects, as well as any intense interests or preoccupations.
- The involvement of a multi-disciplinary team ensures that a comprehensive and accurate assessment of an individual's functioning and needs is conducted. This collaborative approach helps differentiate ASD from other conditions with similar symptoms, provides a clearer understanding of the individual's strengths and challenges, and informs the development of appropriate interventions and support strategies.
- The administration and interpretation of the ADOS-2 and ADI-R require extensive training and experience to ensure that subtle behaviors indicative of ASD are accurately identified and considered within the context of the individual's overall functioning. This skilled and trained eye is essential for obtaining a comprehensive understanding of the individual's strengths and challenges, as well as informing the diagnostic process and subsequent intervention planning.
- Diagnosed or not, let's be honest. You don't even nearly have the level of knowledge or qualifications to accurately determine whether or not you have autism. Even if you spent years and years researching autism, I have yet to find someone who has done that and considered all of the differential diagnoses.
- A lot of the information on what to even look for in an autism assessment etc. isn't even publicly available, it's academic information available to only the professionals. So no, your years and years of self-led, non-academic research fraught with confirmation bias, the Dunning-Kreuger effect, etc. will be enough to accurately consider whether or not you have it.
- Even if you were a professional with academic qualifications, the assessment needs a team of professionals from multiple disciplines and it's highly unlikely that you have all of the specializations needed to consider the whole picture of the diagnostic assessment.
- Even if you wanted to do years and years of research, it's literally much easier and quicker to go and speak to the professionals rather than spending years and years learning about it when a team of professionals can give you the answer in a couple of months (not including any waiting lists of course). The process only even takes a couple of months due to the distance between the appointments and processing the results of the assessments. The appointments themselves take maybe 8-9 hours tops.
- If you live in an area with huge waiting lists, at least get onto the waiting list before you go on your years and years of research and not after. Also, many such waiting lists prioritize people by likelihood of diagnosis, so if you're desperately in need of it you should be fast-tracked anyway.
Misconceptions about the diagnostic process My Doctor won't [diagnose me/recommend an assessment]!
The assessments are [sexist/racist/ableist/etc]
- You're talking to the wrong professional. If you talk to a professional who isn't specialized in autism diagnosis, you're speaking to someone who probably knows only slightly more than you do. This is why people get dumbass responses from doctors like "Women can't be autistic", "you can't be autistic because you have at least 1 friend", "you can't be autistic because you were able to get a job". Because you're not speaking to someone who knows the subject well enough. Funny how so many people who have supposedly done oodles of research don't actually know which professional they need to speak to in the first place.
- Instead, go directly to one of those multi-disciplinary teams of clinical psychologists that we talked about and ask them directly for an assessment.
- If you're in somewhere like the UK where you're required to get a GP recommendation first, contact the specialists -> tell them your situation -> ask them to speak with your GP. You're GP probably won't have many issues with recommending the assessment when the actual assessment specialists themselves are directly telling them it's worth taking a look at.
- You can start here.
Being diagnosed will bar me from emigrating to Australia!!!
- Contrary to popular belief, the autism diagnosis process has been steadily improving over the years.
- Back when the ADOS-2 was first released, studies demonstrated that it did in fact have a bias toward things like sex, race, culture, masking.
- Since then, the creators have spent a huge amount of time and effort diligently researching and implementing ways to improve the process, releasing updates and revisions.
- Recent studies on the ADOS-2 have clinically confirmed that it no longer has a significant bias toward sex, race, culture, or even things like masking. So if someone says they just had an ADOS-2 assessment but "didn't pass because they couldn't unmask", they're probably talking bollocks. If they're saying they couldn't pass the ADOS-2 because "it was designed for boys not girls", they are also probably talking bollocks. Especially because there are plenty of women who have passed even the earlier versions of the ADOS-2.
- Nowadays, the main theory behind underdetection is mainly things like actual access to assessments, economic disparity, etc. The above links are various sources mostly for the same study. Some of them are articles on the study, and some of them are links to the paper itself.
- Obviously, it might not be perfect, but it's quite clear that the ADOS-2 being biased is no longer a problem. I imagine future studies will corroborate this, but only time will tell.
Ignoring / invalidating the diagnostic criteria:
- This is a common piece of misinformation that flies around.
- You are only barred from emigrating if the nation's expenses for taking care of you will outweigh your ability to contribute to the economy.
- If you were severely autistic enough that you wouldn't be able to prove you can contribute / get a job / pay for yourself, then they'd be able to tell with or without the diagnosis because you'd already be receiving expensive care.
- Simply having a diagnosis by itself is not the criteria for them to bar your emigration. So you're not going to get barred just because you were diagnosed.
- A lot of people seem to ignore or dismiss the diagnostic criteria for autism.
- If you do not meet the diagnostic criteria, then you do not qualify for a diagnosis of autism and should not call yourself autistic. There is no way around this. There is no such thing as "autism with none of the bad symptoms".
- Note that self-assessment against the diagnostic criteria isn't conclusive, you should absolutely speak to professionals and get an assessment before you confirm whether you do or don't have it.
Why I think that "mild autism" is a misnomer and doesn't clinically exist in the sense that a lot of people seem to think of.
Looking at the diagnostic criteria for autism it's exceptionally clear that pretty much every official diagnostic manual ever for autism spectrum disorder focuses entirely on the deficits, the negative symptoms. Pretty much every point on them is the negative symptoms, actually.
Even if you looked at the mildest possible case that you could squeeze into the diagnostic criteria:
"A high-functioning adult with ASD, let's call her Jane, has a job and maintains a relatively stable life. She has a few close friends but struggles with making new connections. Jane might experience the following:
Mild deficits in social communication and interaction: Jane can engage in conversations but has difficulty understanding non-verbal cues or maintaining eye contact. She may not always grasp the nuances of humor, sarcasm, or irony, and her tone of voice might be somewhat monotone.
Mild restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior or interests: Jane has a strong interest in a specific topic, such as astronomy, and may spend a significant amount of time reading and talking about it. She prefers to stick to routines and may feel uncomfortable with unexpected changes in her daily schedule.
Early developmental period: Jane's parents noticed she was a bit different from other children when she was younger but did not seek an evaluation. As an adult, Jane became aware of her challenges and sought a diagnosis.
Clinically significant impairment: Jane's ASD has occasionally impacted her relationships and work performance. She may struggle with teamwork or adjusting to changes in the workplace, but she has developed coping strategies to minimize these challenges.
Not better explained by another condition: After a thorough evaluation, Jane's symptoms were determined to be consistent with ASD and not another condition such as intellectual disability or global developmental delay.
In this example, Jane meets the DSM V criteria for ASD, but her symptoms are mild enough that she can lead a relatively independent and functional life."
Even in this example, it is clinically noticeable that she has deficits/impairments that fit the diagnostic criteria. There is also a clinically significant impairment mentioned (this is mandatory
) If you went any milder than this or even didn't have any clinically significant impairment, you wouldn't qualify for a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. Mild autism (in the sense of being less severe than Jane's) is not clinically recognized and is not a diagnosis. Nor does it need to be diagnosed because there's no impact on your life at that point.
Given the above, it's a misconception that the autism spectrum ranges from mild to severe. It ranges from moderate to severe. Referring to Jane's case as mild autism is a misnomer that is quite misleading. It's really more like moderate autism and I wish the official terminology would be revised to reflect this.
So it really frustrates me when I see people saying "I have autism with none of the bad symptoms." If you don't have bad symptoms, you don't meet a single one of the diagnostic criteria for an autism diagnosis to be considered.
I think of it like this: Someone saying they have autism with none of the bad symptoms is like someone claiming to suffer from permanent full-body paralysis, but also claims to do triathlons all the time. It's like if Usaine Bolt at the height of his Olympic career walked into a support group for wheelchair-bound people claiming that he thinks he "has shit leg syndrome, but don't worry it's only the good symptoms", and that the wheelchair-bound people are horrible, ableist people if they tell him he's full of shit. It's total bollocks. Autism is a disability
. It is not an identity. It is not a superpower. It makes our lives extremely difficult.
But there's this whole group of "mildly autistic people" and self-diagnosed people that seem to bask in their stolen victimhood and bullying more severely autistic people about "gatekeeping" and "ableism" while they spread misinformation about autism. It's literally a disorder with official diagnostic criteria that was developed through the scientific process!! It's gatekept by nature because you either have it or you dont!! It's not a high school clique that people can just choose to join!! You should be criticized for gatekeeping something like being a fan of a metal band, not gatekeeping literal diagnostic criteria.
This is exactly why we have communities like AutisticPeeps
, and why fakedisordercringe
is full of severely autistic people who have had enough of the bullshit and moved to diagnosed-only spaces. In every autism community I've seen, it always seems like self-diagnosed "mildly autistic" people are behind the misbehavior and making it a hostile environment for diagnosed autistic people.
There can be some positive symptoms, but overall if your autism is non-disabling then there's a good chance it's not autism. But just to reiterate, I'm not qualified to tell you whether or not you're autistic. This isn't a confirmation of whether or not you are autistic. You should always consult a multi-disciplinary team of autism diagnosis specialists to get that answer. The ADI-R and ADOS-2 may reveal symptoms that you didn't know were there, as it did when I was assessed.
To clarify what I mean by non-disabling, I am not referring to people who can function because they have supports and coping mechanisms in place for their diagnosed autism. Because you're still disabled even if you have supports.
- Think of it like this: We don't think of a wheelchair-bound person as being non-disabled because buildings have ramps and elevators. At the end of the day, an able-bodied person has their pick of the stairs, escalator, ramp, scrambling up rough mountain terrain, taking the elevator, etc. but a wheelchair person is still wheelchair bound even if they can still get to the same places with the help of supports like elevators. They're stuck with the ramps and the elevators, as opposed to the able-bodied person having all sorts of choices on how to get there, whereas a wheelchair-bound person has specific needs.
That's kinda the end of my rant on self-diagnosis. It's not an exhaustive list of everything, but it's pretty comprehensive. I feel kinda glad that I got the rant out so it won't just be bouncing around stuck in my head.
By all means, suspect that you might have autism, but don't confirm it by self-diagnosing because it harms autistic people and doesn't even give any extra benefit. It's really quite frightening watching the serious impacts that self-diagnosed people are having on the autism community as they continue to speak over diagnosed people's voices, continue to advocate for autism as an identity instead of a disability, "autism a superpower", etc.
I have disabled all my reddit notifications / private messages / reddit chat so I won't engage with post comments etc because I don't want to get into arguments/debates with people on the internet for the sake of mental health etc. I will probably read the comments here though.
Please feel free to add stuff to what I have said in the comments so that the community can see as that will be very helpful :)
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2023.04.09 03:26 landon_the_simp post i found from r/fakedisordercringe
2023.04.08 22:13 poeticathiest Welcome to r/fakersexposed
Welcome to fakersexposes
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